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| Indiantelevision.com's
interview with MSM president (network sales, licensing
& telephony) Rohit Gupta |
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'GEC
space will see turmoil this year'
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| Posted
on 4 February 2009 |
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009 is expected to be a rough year for all in media.
Television is no exception. With the stockmarket collapsing
and balance sheets getting battered, advertisers have
become cautious and the current quarter is expected
to be extremely choppy. Multi Screen Media president
(network sales, licensing & telephony) Rohit Gupta
concedes that clients are consistently assessing the
environment and signing quarterly deals as against the
annual ones earlier. He, however, is confident that
Sony Entertainment will ride through the stormy times
on account of the strength of its network.
Indiantelevision.com's
Ashwin Pinto caught up with Gupta to find
out about what lies ahead, the mood in the market, the
importance of tentpole properties etc.
Excerpts:
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How was 2008 for Sony in terms of revenues? What growth
was managed over 2007?
It was a successful year for us. All our channels
grew their revenue. Some by 25 per cent, others grew
in the range of 10-15 per cent. The other success story
was the IPL. We created benchmark rates for Indian cricket
before the event had even started.
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This year is expected to be challenging with the
recession. What impact will this have on Sony and the
television industry?
As we move forward this year will present challenges.
The key one is the meltdown. A client would cut marketing
spends but television as a genre will still grow. We
believe that television is the cheapest form of advertising
in terms of the reach it delivers. TV gives you the
best RoI and this is what clients focus on during a
slowdown.
Print
and outdoor will take a larger hit but television will
still grow. A recent report projected a 10 per cent
growth which is fair. TV has been growing at 18 per
cent over the last few years. While that will not happen
this year, there will still be growth.
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For the IPL what is the upside being looked at this
time around?
We have established rates that are in line with
what we had decided upon earlier. IPL will be a bigger
property this year.
Everybody
including the franchisees have more time to prepare.
Last time we just had 45 days to prepare. This year
the hype will start after the auction ends. We will
hold a meeting with the franchisees after 6 February
to decide on the course of action to take. Also at the
point of time there is no other major property on television.
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So you are confident on the financial performance of
Sony for the IPL despite the slowdown?
Yes! What happens during a slowdown is that the
clients' ability to take risks decreases. IPL is a proven
property. There is no risk in being associated with
it. People will put money on 'sure' properties. The
IPL is one of them. Last time the IPL had an 80 per
cent reach on Max.
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Have
deals been closed?
Yes! However I cannot divulge any details. Some
deals are for both the IPL and the New Zealand series
that comes before it. We do not have category exclusivity
this time around for spot buys.
This
allows us to access more brands. Last time the IPL was
not tested. Exclusivity was an incentive that we had
to concede. By not giving exclusivity we will ensure
that multiple brands can co-exist.
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'We
will offer more flexible IPL packages'
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But won't it be a challenge to get many brands on-board
in a difficult climate?
You have to understand that cricket's cost rating
per rating point (CPRPs) are still holding up. The reach
of the channel is key. Max does not have this issue.
So we are confident of getting the desired rates.
I
don't think that the rates are a problem. The challenge
will lie in the outlay that a client puts on IPL. So
this time around we will have smaller packages. The
number of clients taking spot buys will go up. One does
not have to buy all 59 games. A company can buy for
ten games at a stretch. There is flexibility.
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Has
the revenue split within the group changed over the last
couple of years?
I cannot give any numbers. However our dependence on the
large channels is not that high. AXN and Pix are growing
substantially. Max is now a very big channel in our network. |
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What is the clients mood like in general?
They are more cautious. They are adopting a quarter
by quarter approach. They are not signing large deals
for a year which used to be the case. For this quarter
ending March, clients are being extra cautious. Companies
want to show better results with this being the last
quarter. So it will be tough.
The
key is to have tentpole properties that can be sold.
You need to have a distinctive niche in the market.
Clients want more accountability. As a broadcaster you
need to be responsive and understand clients' needs.
You have to make sure that the client gets value back.
Everything is not necessarily about a rate. The question
lies in the effectiveness of the media buy.
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Apart from IPL what are the other tentpole properties
coming up for the group?
In March we are launching Operation Dikhla Jaye
on Sony. This will be a directors cut where four
of Bollywood's top directors will produce shows for
us. It will be a 13 week initiative and will be the
first time that anybody has tried it in India. These
are one hour shows. We have roped in directors like
Madhur Bhandarkar, Mahesh Manjrekar, Vikram Bhatt. Then
the IPL starts. Post that we will have re-launches of
our big shows.
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In the GEC space are the new arrivals having any impact?
Is the ad pie growing or merely getting sliced further?
There has been growth overall. But this year since
growth will be restricted there will be some slicing
of the pie. The GEC space will see turmoil this year.
New players will come in and others will go away. GEC
costs are huge and it is a question of who will survive.
The like of Star, Sony, Zee will always be around come
what may.
New
channels will come. They may be on top for a while but
the fact is that nobody is on top all the time. Clients
also look at networks as opposed to channels per se.
They want networks which are strong enough to withstand
pressure. They want networks that have the sustaining
power to ride over the tough times. Besides that you
need big properties which ensure that clients look at
you differently.
Each
of our channels is in the top four in their respective
genre. Sab is number one in the second level GEC tier.
Sony has managed to hold on to its share more or less.
Other channels have experienced a bigger fall in the
GEC space. We may not have many channels but what we
have done is to focus on building them.
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How has Sony built up its client relationship management
efforts over the years?
Our focus has always been on giving value back to
the client. We were the first to start a client servicing
team four years ago. Then other channels started doing
this. We work closely with brands to integrate them
into our properties. This is how we add value that goes
beyond just 10 second spots. Therefore even though there
are days when ratings have not been what they should
be the clients have supported us. The relationship with
clients makes a big difference in terms of your ability
to raise rates.
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Which categories will be affected in terms of TV advertising
due to the slowdown?
If you look at it the categories most affected by
the meltdown which are real estate and retail these
are not big on television. Finance was not as big on
television compared with other mediums. Auto companies
are shifting budgets from print to television.
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Coming
back to the cricket front the New Zealand tour is the
first time that Sony will air bilateral cricket. How
is this event being positioned for viewers and clients?
This is a full blown tour. India has not visited New
Zealand since 2002. We lost very badly then and so this
is a big challenge. There will be anticipation. In fact
this is the Indian team's biggest challenge after playing
Australia twice recently.
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But isn't the timing an issue as the telecast of the
matches is very early in the morning?
The timings are good for the T20 Games which start
at 11 in the morning. The ODIs start at around 6:30
in the morning. Test matches start earlier but they
are not a big revenue contributor compared with the
other two formats.
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How
many sponsors are being looked at?
We have clients who are interested in both the New
Zealand series and IPL. That would give them visibility
from Feb till June. So we are doing special deals for
them. Generally we look at six to eight sponsors.
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Are
you also looking at doing long term deals with clients
for IPL?
No! We believe that the IPL which is a big opportunity
is better served through yearly deals. You have the option
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IPL
broadened the viewer base. Has the client base also
grown for cricket as a result?
Yes! Godrej an FMCG company came on board. They
do not associate themselves with cricket. Max New York
Life came on board. It worked well for them. It was
not the traditional clients that came on board. This
year also you can expect to see some surprise companies
coming on board. IPL after all changed the way TV viewership
happens. It is not just the male TG that tunes in.
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Will
the IPL be simulcast?
No! It will only be on Max. We did that with the
Cricket World Cup in 2007 where some matches also aired
on Sab. However viewership got disrupted and the channel
loses share. Then it is difficult to get viewers back.
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When
HBO left there was a gap created. Is Pix now starting
to fill this gap?
Pix has made a lot of progress over the last couple
of years. Pix started when there were already established
players. Now it is competing. In some weeks it beats
HBO. Advertisers have followed this. Pix is making
investments in terms of acquisitions. The aim over
the next couple of years is that in terms of ad revenues
it can reach the level of HBO and Star Movies.
It
is pitched as a premium movie channel. It delivers
in the 25+ SEC A, B category which is what a lot of
marketers target. All the large brands are on it.
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How
come Pix decided to air soccer with the FA Cup?
The audience for it is similar. It is SEC A,B.
We decided to offer viewers something new and extra.
Matches air on the weekends and so the movie schedule
is not disrupted.
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The
other two major distribution bouquets have two English
movie channels - a mass one and a niche one. Isn't Sony
at a disadvantage here with just one channel that does
not have the latest offerings?
It does not affect the advertising side. Channels
like MGM (which is in the Star Den bouquet) do not carry
ads anyway and it is dependent more on a subscription
kind of revenue stream.
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What
is the roadmap forward for AXN?
AXN is doing well and has been growing at 25 per
cent CAGR. You will continue to see local content. You
will shortly see the AXN Action Awards. Each year you
will have three shows produced in India.
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Does
cost control become important in this environment though?
This is an area we always look at. It is something
that we are always conscious of and it is not as if
this area has suddenly assumed importance. For us it
is business as usual. One has to see the returns more
carefully though.
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On
the licensing front how has business grown over the
past year?
This was small four years back. However we participate
more actively in trade fairs like Mipcom and we showcase
more content in the form of formats there. Our shows
are sold in European markets, the US. We took all our
formats to Mipcom. along with other shows like Filmfare,
Stardust Awards. The other aspect is the Hindi movie
licensing business. We syndicate them wherever we have
rights.
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Could
you shed light on Sony's plans in the new media arena?
The telephony side has been slow apart from voting
on shows like Indian Idol. However once 3G comes in
and bandwith goes up things will change. We already
have mobile channels for AXN and Animax in other Asian
countries. There is also a lot of potential in doing
things for Sony and Max in terms of clips, show recaps
etc. So we are ready with content. The technology has
to be there.
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Finally
we are seeing channels advertise on rivals. What is
Sony's policy?
We do not advertise on competitors nor do we accept
ads from them. We accept ads from kids channels, news
channels as we do not operate in that space. But you
will never see us air ads from a movie channel belonging
to a rival network. We are not desperate for revenue.
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