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| Indiantelevision.com's
interview with CNN International Senior Vice President Rena
Golden |
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'CNN
is
US-owned, but we
are not
US-centric'
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| Posted
on 13 March 2007 |
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A
little girl from a small town in Bihar who migrated from India
to the US when she was just six years old, Rena Golden is
today at the very top rung of the hierarchy at global news
major CNN International. As senior vice president, she visited
India this week to announce the latest edition of "Eye
on India", focussed this time on the youth power of the
country.
Credited
by her colleagues with amazing skills, journalistic and managerial,
driving the world's largest news broadcasting company CNN
from just an all-American channel ("I joined 21 years
ago when people used to call CNN Chicken Noodle News!"),
to an international one reaching 2 billion viewers across
200 countries, she still retains a disarming level of simplicity.
It
is perhaps natural that an American of Indian origin would
also be the head of CNN's Diversity Committee, ensuring that
community parity is maintained not just within the organisation
but also in the dissemination of news.
Golden,
who studied in two universities in North Carolina, graduating
in English with Honours ("My father wanted me to be a
doctor, but I wanted to study English") and started working
with CNN from 1985, spoke to Indiantelevision.com's Sujit
Chakraborty
on the present status and future plans of CNN.
Excerpts:
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You have a large hand in shaping the strategic direction of
CNN. What is the most significant area you are looking into
at the moment?
I think it is expansion of news beyond the television
sphere. We are on the Internet, mobile phones
I think
what CNN is interested in becoming is your news source, on
whatever platform it may be
your phone, your Blackberry
We want to become your news information source and travel
with you, wherever you are.
CNN's
news website is a tremendous success which attracts a billion
users every year. And CNN International has just launched
its news service on mobile phone. We are also looking at video
on demand and IPTV
we want to be platform agnostic.
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How is IPTV doing in America
there is content available
on that platform here in India as well, but the problem is
we do not have downloading technology or bandwidth?
I think even now in the US market the bandwidth is still
not there, but the market is growing in South Korea, in Hong
Kong and in some of the Nordic countries in Europe, where
we can stream the CNN news channel completely on mobile phones.
We are still not there on that platform in the US, but I think
the important thing is to have your foot in all the areas.
CNN is known for that and one of the areas we are looking
at is (improving) technology in news gathering.
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That is my second question, in fact. You also deal with the
technology of news gathering?
Yes, for instance, earlier, when we would go for coverage,
say in India or the war in Iraq, we would have to travel with
30 suitcases of equipment. Now, thanks to CNN working with
Sony, with Panasonic, and other organisations, we have cameras
that fit in a suitcase, which you can take as your carry-on
luggage.
When
we went to North Korea, we could move in easily and cover
news in a much easier manner, which is often cheaper.
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What
are the latest innovations and what are the next technological
frontiers in news gathering and dissemination?
Things are getting smaller and smaller
we are looking
at shooting footage on a mobile phone. Only last week, we
used a Nokia mobile phone and went "live" on CNN.
You don't have to book satellite space. You can just dial
into the CNN offices in Hong Kong or Atlanta, and stream news
live, so technology is getting smaller and mobile.
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CNN has more than once made public its ambitions to go regional
and local. But at least in the context of the Indian subcontinent
it has not happened. And now with the explosion in television
news in the country, it looks like it never will. I can see
your CNNj in Japan, then Turkish and Korean CNN, so why not
in India?
OK, what we have done in India goes beyond what we have
done in some of the other regions. We have partnered with
IBN and additionally, we have CNN International which covers
India not just for Indians but for the rest of the world.
Our partnership with CNN-IBN is less than a year old but it
has emerged as the number one news channel in this country.
That partnership is as strong as what we have in some other
regions, say in Turkey where we have tied up with a media
channel that broadcasts CNN in Turkish.
I
think there are different models for different markets and
the model that we have for the Indian market
Wow! I
mean we couldn't have imagined this. There could be a partnership
with some Hindi channel
I am not ruling that out, but
what we need is as strong a partner as we have in CNN-IBN.
We do not have anything to announce here (in terms of a regional
channel) so far. We believe in having local partners and we
would not do that in India and open a Hindi channel for instance,
without a strong local partner. Local partners understand
the country much better
So what you see, this partnership
with CNN-IBN, is one of our proudest achievements.
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Chris Cramer had told us last year that BBC has a certain
Mark Tully factor advantage in India. For the first time though,
now both CNN and BBC can be said to running neck-and-neck.
It's been a long while coming but don't you think it has come
too late in the day because of the way Indian news channels
have captured virtually all the mind space?
Sixty years
not just Mark Tully
I think it
is a huge association.
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I
think also right from the days when we were ruled by the British
there was some association, so what do you feel you are looking
at here to change that?
This
is the only market where BBC leads the CNN. I think you just
put your finger on that. India has a long historic association
with Britain and BBC, especially BBC radio, which was here
decades before CNN even came to the market. I respect the
BBC, no doubt about that.
But
where CNN excels is in breaking news
that's our DNA,
the DNA of CNN-IBN. We also don't have a British style of
presentation, a British view of the world. We have journalists
from 50 different nationalities covering news for us. Don't
get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for BBC, but I think
CNN has very successfully differentiated itself.
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Unlike a few years ago, when even a major train accident here
would not be covered on BBC or CNN, there is a lot of India
on these channels now. But I also feel that there are documentaries
that need to be made on India. What are the kinds of documentaries
you think CNN ought to do on India in the near future? Do
you have a kind of road map for that?
I am glad you brought up that question. CNN has a documentary
division, and one recent documentary was on Britain's Muslim
population. We also have a couple of them from Iraq and from
Africa, etc. We are also doing documentaries with foreign
filmmakers. We have partnered with a filmmaker from Sierra
Leon who has done five or six films on the major issues of
Africa. That gives us the opportunity to get into some of
the under-reported stories of the world. So we are looking
at filmmakers to partner with for making documentaries.
But
having said that, the important thing to remember is that
we are not a documentary organisation, not a documentary channel.
Our first and foremost work is 24-hour news. We believe in
context, not only what's happened but why it has happened.
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Everyone knows now India is changing, especially in the economic
and knowledge sectors. What are the specific areas of change
that excite you the most and why?
I think it is the influence that Indians are now having
in the diaspora
and not just the diaspora, because many
Indians are also coming back home. India's influence outside
India is a story that really excites me.
In
the US, Indians are doing a lot of things. There are Indians
heading technology companies, there are a couple of Indian
filmmakers in Hollywood, and of course there are those in
medicine and engineering. But one area where Indians are not
there in the US is politics, which I think is important for
us.
The
other thing, which is the topic of this edition of Eye
on India, is the Indian youth. There is no other country
in the world where 50 per cent of the population in under
the age of 25.
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'In
the early days of the Iraq war, the media was not as
critical as it should have been and a lot of American
society regrets that'
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Looking at the global picture, is there a region-wise break-up
of how it all reports back to Atlanta? How does it work?
Well, we have an Asian production hub in Hong Kong and
a hub in Europe and the headquarters is in Atlanta, but we
as an organisation are very decentralised. In India, we have
15 people in the bureau, but we cover India primarily by people
who have been journalists in India. It is not just Atlanta
dictating what stories are to be done, it's journalists here
saying that 'these are the stories on the front pages of the
newspapers today. We think these are the stories that need
to be told about India'. It is people who are working in this
country, living, breathing India that drives our India coverage
(and likewise, across the globe). That is what makes CNN so
unique.
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And speaking of regions, can you offer how revenues stack
up in percentage terms?
Our revenue increase over last year is 22 per cent. Which
is very good, very, very strong growth.
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A
lot has changed in the last 5-7 years. A global news perspective
is not solely in the hands of the likes of the CNN and BBC anymore.
The impact of Al Jazeera has been well documented. Now the French
have also launched their own global news channel. How is CNN
changing to meet the challenges of a world view that is no more
ruled from a western Anglo-Saxon perspective?
Let me put this clearly. CNN International is American owned,
and we are proud of our American ownership, but CNN International
is not America-centric. It would be crazy for us to be broadcasting
internationally but from an American perspective. From the business
point of view, that would be ridiculous.
But
I think competition always makes us stronger, because competition
means we have to be always ahead. We welcome competition.
We have been there for 25 years and there is vast acceptance,
because CNN's journalism is top notch. And we feel there is
enough room for others as well.
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And
we have been talking about ethics and so forth, so what are
the checks and balances that are in place to make sure that
stories are fair and accurate?
First of all, we have the standard-practice guidebook, which,
of course, all news organisations have, which all CNN journalists
have to abide by. Obviously, the journalist reporting knows
the story best, but that story is vetted by many people. Along
the way there are many different people who touch that story
and fact-check it before it actually goes on air. We are much
more interested in getting a story right than getting it 'first'.
We are the Breaking News leader, but we would not be that if
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Yes,
but say you hire me from India and I, for that matter no one,
can be totally objective
maybe I am slightly with the
BJP or the Congress or whatever, so a tinge of bias creeps in.
So how do you correct that? At the desk level?
Yes, there is always the issue of being subjective, but
there are things like hard facts that cannot be changed. That
is why we lay so much emphasis on attribution. If you watch
the news channel you will sometimes find that one person has
been quoted but the other one has not been
this happens
sometimes even if the journalist wants to be objective. It's
in their DNA, but it happens, so we tell them, 'Hey, that guy's
quotes are not there, so go get it'.
There
have been occasions when a story has been held back for a
week to make sure that all the players have got the chance
to comment. I can't tell you how much CNN lives and dies by
its credibility factor.
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We'll
pick up on a touchy issue, with American media in particular
- "embedded" journalism. Isn't the way the whole Iraq
story has developed a severe indictment on the way the media
reported on it from the very beginning? What's the point of
the truth coming out now, when all that is left is death and
destruction?
Well, I think the media had not been as critical as it should
have been in the early days (of the Iraq war). Not only the
media, there are many politicians and different segments of
American society that regrets not having been more critical
(at the outset). I think that a lot has changed. |
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Because
and after the massive Iraq fiasco?
Because of the war in Iraq and other reasons, because
of the political season in general, but I do think that a
lot of that has changed. I do think the media has got a lot
proper.
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Veering
off from your day job, as it were, you are on the advisory
board of the Atlanta Woman magazine. Tell us something about
the magazine and your area of interest in this.
I am no longer on the board, but this is a local magazine
from Atlanta focussing on the businesswomen. I think as a
person involved with international news, I am always interested
in what's happening outside my world. And as a mother, as
a wife and as a citizen of Atlanta, Georgia, I also have my
responsibility of giving something back to my community.
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As
the head of the CNN committee on diversity, what are the crucial
diversity issues you face and how do you resolve them?
The diversity issue we face overall is to maintain the
diversity of coverage, to be sensitive to diverse cultures.
With American, Latin American, African, or Indian people,
all working together in the newsroom, it can be tremendously
exciting but there is a lot of opportunity of misunderstanding.
And what we encourage is a very open communication in our
newsrooms, where people can talk to each other honestly, without
feeling they are being attacked. But it's really difficult
to work with such diversity of cultures. It's a tough challenge.
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Sure,
but the question is, how do you resolve that?
We resolve that by getting people to get together and
discuss issues together. And we also give people opportunity
to take their issues up without putting their names. If somebody
wants to talk to me about a report that he or she feels has
been unfair to a particular group of people, they can send
me an unsigned note.
We
also hold functions where I may not be there but my managers
are there. Transparency is the most important thing.
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You
are in charge of talent scouting too. What do you think of
the talent pool in India in your line of work and how do you
plan tapping that pool?
Well, I'll tell you what kind of talent we are looking
at. There is a lot of talent here. For CNN International,
the presenter has to be a really strong journalist, people
who know how to write, and more importantly, people who can
speak extempore without a script. There are times, during
Breaking News stories, when people have to work for four hours
at a stretch in front of the camera without a script. These
are people who have to have a fairly strong recall, they have
to know the history, the culture, and feel confident enough
to express themselves without the written script.
There
are people who differ with me and say, 'No, an anchor is very
different from a reporter. They have to look good, have a
good voice, look polished all the time
and it's the
reporter who has to be out there and do the story. No. I can't
afford to do that in CNN International.
Our
anchors are the ones who are on the field as much as possible.
Because to my mind, there is no difference between an anchor
and a reporter. In the case of Lebanon issue last year, for
example, I had three or four anchors going from Atlanta reporting
alongside CNN reporters.
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