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Interview with SET's Assistant VP Marketing Rohit
Bhandari
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"We
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Posted on 28 June 2003
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Fresh off the success of last years desi adaptation of Who
Dares Wins AXN is all set to unveil its first local adaptation
of the year AXN Hot N Wild Contest. A hunt down for the country's
'hottest' girl and guy, the contest is modelled along the lines
of the latest reality TV sensation 'Are You Hot currently
on Wednesdays, 11 pm in the Hot N Wild Time Zone on AXN.
The 'hottest' male and female winners will go on to become television
stars in one of AXN's upcoming local productions. Indiantelevision.com
correspondent Ashwin Pinto caught up with SET's Assistant
VP Marketing Rohit Bhandari who is in charge of AXN. He dwelt on
the nature of the search, the marketing push that would be given,
other shows that could be looked at for adaptation.
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Star's plans for a desi version of 'Temptation Island' proved
to be a non-starter. How confident are you that the hot'n'wild search
will work?
Actually if you look at it, Temptation Island and Are
you Hot are two completely different properties. Temptation
Island actually asks people to break their moral conscience
and make them do something they are not likely to do.
Yes men and women do cheat on one another but we do not ask them
to do it on purpose. Are you Hot? is a very simple show.
It is about how good you look. The vanity in everybody makes them
feel that yes I am good looking. I can only look better.
It is just playing with very basic human vanity that everyone has
which is to look good. On television I am asking people who think
they look good to come out and appear on the show.
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How is the Hot'n'Wild search being modified for the Indian audience?
We have taken the basic framework of the show keeping Indian
sensibilities in mind. There will be an audition, a panel. However,
the Indian panel will not be as rude or base as the American panel.
They will definitely tone down their behaviour to an extent. In
addition we are not going to have a swimwear round. We are looking
for someone with a great personality, who looks good on camera,
and who is very fluent in Hindi and English.
When I ask someone to appear for an audition I want them to appear
in what they think they look hottest in, whether it is a sari, a
mini skirt or a pair of jeans. Whatever the situation may be I am
not going to say no.
At the end of the day I am trying to match a perception. It is
what they feel looks hot versus the judges' perception of what we
feel looks hot. The idea is that the person is going to appear on
a show that AXN would do in the future. The person may not be the
best looking guy in the room but he must match up well in front
of a camera. I am looking for a person who is fluent with the audience
and can involve them.
In terms of age limit the person should be at least 18. The maximum
cap is 25. However we are not very fixed on this and it could go
up to 30. Given how crazy India is about the movies, acting and
being a part of the arts I believe that everybody out there harbours
ambitions of becoming a movie or a television star at some level
or the other.
For people in college who have been working for two or three years
this would an excellent opportunity for them to cash in.
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What leverage is AXN hoping to get from the endeavour?
In terms of leverage there is one question we have always been
asked, "how will you localise?" We have adventure shows,
animation, series etc. We look at AXN as a lifestyle brand. We believe
that watching AXN has to be an experience. You experience something
when you are physically a part of it. We realised that we could
make the audience feel the experience through Who Dares Wins.
You get to be a part of the show at the end of the day. It is fun
and adventurous. Through the search people will get to know that
Are You Hot is a kind of brand image, lifestyle we are trying
to create. With the Are You hot search people will be able
to relate better with the efforts that I do on-air and on-ground.
To give you an example Who Dares Wins has been shown by
us since we launched in 1998. Today however when I put you on camera
and say that you are on the show you feel very different. That is
the experience we are trying to create for the viewer. For us there
is both an intended as well as an actual experience. The former
is what you go through when you view the channel. The actual one
is what you face on the ground.
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sports in India will always be a value based addition. " |
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What are the attributes that participants should possess that
would give them an edge over the competition?
Firstly I would say that no contest wouldn't have any bias.
There are a lot of people who want to be television stars. Someone
might be trained while another person may not. A person who is naturally
good looking may have a desire to be part of the entertainment industry
someday. The person who looks good and knows how to modulate his/her
voice on camera would naturally hold the edge.
The auditions will happen in Bombay, Delhi, Kolkata and Bangalore
from 1 August. We require 10-15 days to shortlist entries. The auditions
will last seven to eight days. We are looking at short-listing 100
people who would comprise 50 males 50 females. At the end of the
day we will come up with one guy and one girl in that market. Totally
there will be eight people. They will compete in the final which
is the best of the best.
Have any sponsors been roped in? Can you give me an idea of
the production cost?
Barcardi Breezer has come on board. The drink has less alcohol
content than beer. It has the taste of lemon. The advertising has
a very fun element and touch to it. Our search is an experiential
fun event.
Livon Silky portion, which actually manufactures and markets hair
serum, is also on board. They saw a great brand fit. We are also
talking to two three sponsors right now. The production cost would
be very low much less than a Who Dares Wins.
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A scene from Are You Hot?
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"
When
I ask someone to appear for an audition I want them to
appear in what they think they look hottest in whether
it is a sari, a mini skirt or a pair of jeans" |
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Could you elaborate on the promotional and marketing campaign
that is being used? Have any new elements been brought in?
We realised that if the endeavour is to meet with success then
we need to be present in those areas where 18-25 year olds hang
out. This would be discotheques, music shops, coffee shops. Of course
the fourth option is the Internet which everybody surfs. Of all
these avenues we said to ourselves that entering a discotheque or
a pub is not the easiest way to go about conducting a promotion.
You are restricting yourself to a 9-12 pm late night slot. People
visit a pub for reasons different from wanting to be a part of something.
The way to do it would be to catch them when they are sane when
they visit a coffee shop. That is how the idea of tying up with
Café Coffee Day came up. That along with Coffee Day Xpress have
around 152 outlets across the country in 18 cities. Each city has
around 20-25 places. This gives us good coverage and an on ground
presence. At Café Coffee Day you can actually pick up a form, fill
it. At Planet M there are posters and available forms. On the Internet
you can log on to indiatimes or axnindia.com. It is very simple.
We are not using theatres. We are using FM Radio in Mumbai, Delhi,
Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore and Pune. We have a huge radio splash.
Who are some of the judges that you'll have roped in?
This is a process we are working on. For the city level auditions
there will be on AXN representative who in all probability will
be Gregory Ho. There will be one person from Elle magazine.
Elle is our partner because we believe that they have core competency
in beauty and style. They would be in an excellent position to judge
a contest of this nature. We are speaking to local celebrities in
each market. They could either be in the fields of television, modelling,
film. The logic is that we are looking to bring in a local flavour.
In addition the celebrities understand the local nuances better
than we do. The panel for the final will be completely different.
We are looking at really big names in the fields of fashion, modelling,
photography. AXN will also have a representative who may not be
Gregory.
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shows like 24, CSI, The Shield we are graduating
our audience into a slightly different space." |
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Will 'Wild On' be visiting the country as well at a later date?
No. Wild On is a travelogue which visits unique places.
A lot of people visit them for fashion, partying, holidaying. I
don't think that India is on their schedule right now.
What other shows is AXN looking at for adapting to the Indian
market? Would the Bachelor, Fear Factor be possibilities?
We realised that if we need to adapt a show currently within
our basket the best thing would be to do a reality show. It is the
best way to localise. People can get involved. If I was to make
a series in India in English no offence meant to anyone it will
fall flat on its face. If you look at the production quality of
our shows whether it is 24 or Jerry Bruckheimer producing
The Amazing Race I cannot get someone to match that production
quality. Therefore it does not make sense.
For whatever little I know about The Bachelor it would
be very brave for someone to attempt making it in India. It is like
you are bidding a guy and he will decide on whom he wants to marry.
That breaks many Indian myths. Arranged marriages are still a huge
part of our society. The show is just a contest and the guy marries
whom he feels like. That is not how the grain runs in the country.
Everybody has a voyeur hidden inside but to go to this extent I
am not sure.
In addition The Bachelor has no element of action, adventure.
It is voyeuristic to a certain extent. It does not auger well for
us to do this on ground. However Fear Factor is something
we would definitely look at. If we can go to the same extent as
what was done in the US I would put my hands and feet up in front
of the AXN management and tell them guys we need to do this because
this is going to be big and people are going to have fun on the
show. Of course those levels of safety might be slightly difficult
to achieve. Even if three feasibility flags go up I will get on
it. That is how we as an organisation function. We always have five
to six ideas on the table.
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What lessons were learnt from doing 'Who Dares Wins' in India
last year?
The success of Who Dares Wins will allow us to replicate
it this year. It will be done in a completely different system.
It is going to be something that Indians have never experienced
before. This is something I will talk about later.
As far as last year is concerned I wish that we had been on ground
for a longer period of time. This might be from a selfish perspective
but we touched so many people. I couldn't accommodate all 500 people
who wanted to be on the show and so the format will definitely expand
this time around. We believe in the principle of the more the merrier.
When more people get involved and experience the fun it will add
to our brand equity to that extent. This is because we were the
channel that allowed that to happen. We gave them the opportunity.
We are working on making a Real Dare a possibility in India. The
challenge for us is to get that level of supervision. The main dares
done in Australia are not only complex but also supervised by some
of the best stunt co-ordinators in Hollywood. They happen to be
Australian as they are said to be daring in nature. Therefore to
shoot this series in Australia is easy.
We are looking at the safety requirements that could be got into
India, which would make a main dare a possibility. I would say that
if a main dare is possible in India then there is no reason why
we cannot do Fear Factor here.
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The Snake episode of Fear Factor has given rise to controversy
in the US on account of trauma being caused to the snakes and some
viewers. Your comments.
We get the show in its original form from the US. At our end
we watch it and edit it to make sure that it conforms to our decency
levels. If any objectionable content is present we delete it. The
level of what is shown will depend on how a particular market operates.
If it doesn't work in market don't watch the show.
We understand this country well. We have to be moral policemen
ourselves and not allow anyone else to do the job. If we internally
maintain a standard of censorship and quality then people will feel
far more confident about the channel. This is because we are making
sure that viewer sensibilities at any point in time are not offended.
I feel that a show like The Wedding Race in China where
couples compete against each other in physically demanding sports
will not work in India. We tend to be physically inert. Do you agree?
I agree with this. See in India if one has to be a part of an
adventure sport it will come at a considerable cost at a considerable
distance. If you want to do rock climbing, mountaineering you have
to travel all the way to Himachal. There is an investment in terms
of time taken to travel. The institute out there will charge you
money. If adventure sport is easily accessible I believe that more
people would try it.
Mumbai has a space constraint. One does adventure sport because
it allows you to push the envelope a bit. If I am not naturally
going to do anything adventurous that will allow me to push the
envelope a bit then why would I bother? A lot of people have done
bungee jumping but there is no bungee jumping post anywhere. By
their nature adventure sports will always appeal to a sub section
of the audience and they cannot go beyond a certain point because
of space constraints. Therefore adventure sports in India will always
be a value based addition.
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Are you going to promote upcoming blockbusters like Charlies
Angels Full Throttle?
We are already doing that. We are part of the same family at
the end of the day. Since we are in the business of content both
in terms of acquisition and marketing we work closely with all studios.
We are also promoting The Hulk. Of course if it is a home
production it definitely gets better airtime than the products of
other studios.
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What about tying with FMCG's for products like what MTV is doing
with perfumes?
If you look at Who Dares Wins last year our tie ups have
been purely in terms of show integration. We want to build the AXN
brand further to a level where it is reasonably strong to tie up
with a conglomerate. We have the idea of forging tie-ups and partnerships
but that is still a while away.
As a brand we are on an upward curve. If you look at what AXN was
like a couple of years ago and what it is today and what it will
be next year there has been a great deal of difference. With shows
like 24, CSI, The Shield we are graduating
our audience into a slightly different space. For example if you
were used to watching something of quality A I am getting you into
the habit of watching shows that are of quality A++. I have seen
tapes of a couple of shows for next year and they are awesome.
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What kind of response have you received from '24'?
24 was a slow starter. Now things are looking good and
we are averaging a 20-22 per cent channel share week in week out.
24 is a show that if you miss an episode then you lose the
thread. Therefore I am surprised that after six episodes it started
picking up.
What has helped us is the fact that 24 is very hot on the
DVD circuit. I have friends who watched the first three episodes
on AXN and then bought the DVDs for the rest of the show. Although
this is a very small section of the market the fact that there is
awareness of 24 thanks to the DVD is heartening.
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How do you view Reality TV and Action TV as competition?
I have just heard of Action TV. I have never seen it
and I do not even know what their schedule looks like. I have been
given to understand that it consists predominantly of movies. Reality
TV I caught once in a hotel. While both of them have their core
competencies what works is a mix of everything and not of one particular
genre. I cannot continuously show cop chases 24*7.
Variety is the key to hook viewers. We have Guinness World Records.
At the other end you have Who Dares Wins which is an out
and out fun show. Then we have the red hot US programming in the
form of The Amazing Race which airs less than 24-hours after
its US premiere. Worse Case Scenarios tells you how you can
avoid inflicting too much damage on yourself if you are going to
be involved in an accident like a car crash.
If you cannot stop yourself from falling of a cliff then what
is the right way to fall. If however I was to keep Ripley's
on 24*7, people would get bugged pretty quickly. While I am sure
that Action TV and reality TV have some programming tweaks here
and there whether it adds enough variety is debatable. I do not
know this as I do not receive them at home.
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